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Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by nillabu » Sun May 22, 2016 8:08 am

Did the swap several years ago. No complaints. I know some of the g bodies came with 200r4's column shift. Question: Is there an internal difference in the shift bowls? Did allot of research and haven't been able to find a definitive answer. Can't get into "low" by pulling down the lever. Seems to be an internal "stop" in the column??

Have read that the linkage needs to be a little longer but doesn't "feel" that way. Everything lines up including the shift indicator needle and plate (4spd). Feels like a stop either down on the end of the column or internal in the column. Rebuild the column years ago but can't remember what it looks like inside. Anyone have any experience with that?

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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by axisg » Sun May 22, 2016 11:34 pm

I did the 3 to 4 speed swap years ago. With the 4 speed shifter, cable, and trans bracket I can get all 4 gears. Unfortunately I only had the shifter and cable so my bracket is a 1 - off :)

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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by elcaminoss84 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:32 pm

I did the conversion on my el camino from turbo 350 to 2004r and just used the transmission brackets and column shift rods from a 2004r car and have all the gears are working without a column swap.

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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by 1981Regal » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:39 pm

You are correct the shift bowl is different. It will work but you will not be able to get manual 1st gear.
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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by 1981Regal » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:40 pm

Same with the stock floor shifters, forgot to mention that as well.
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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by malibuguy » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:33 pm

Im running a 200r4 on my column and I get all gears. I am using a Lokar rod kit. Eventually i want to change to a cable as the rod is sensitive to engine torque
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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by nillabu » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:18 pm

Thanks for the info. Thought there might have been a difference in the bowls. Was considering the Lokar rod or cable kits but maybe after seeing what I can do inside the column first.

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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by 1981Regal » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:22 pm

I'm pretty sure that shift both could be clearance for first if you are not able to get it so that Park will fully engage as well.
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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by nillabu » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:04 pm

Park and the rest of the positions are fine. After looking a little closer, even if the bowl could be clearanced to reach low, the column shift arm (with the stock linkage) would be pretty close to the lower side of the outside firewall pocket. Might be room??

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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by 1981Regal » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:26 pm

Should be room for the detent shaft that attaches to the column.
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Re: Column difference 3 speed/200r4??

Post by nillabu » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:47 pm

Was finally able to get a little more info on the differences between the overdrive and standard 3-speed auto shift columns. Below is a picture of the shift gate that is in every auto shift column whether OD or not. My source tells me this is the only shift gate he has ever seen used in these (78-83) GM intermediate A & G body columns. When completely dissembling the column, this would be one of the last parts removed. The shift pattern starts with "Park" on the right side as pictured. Next is the "Reverse" higher land, "Neutral", "D" or "OD", "2nd or "D", "1st" or "2nd" and finally "1st" for the overdrives. The last land is longer to achieve "low" gear engagement with the overdrive transmission.

When I did my 200r4 swap I used the original TH-200C shift linkage but could never reach "low" gear manually when adjusted properly. After adding an inch to the column lever "down rod" to the shift lever transition arm, I am finally able to reach low gear manually. This was probably widely known but I'd never seen the shift gate itself until recently.

Assuming this information is correct, the only difference between 3-sp & O.D. shift columns is the column to transmission linkage and dash bezel.

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9" w/3.73's & 11" Disc
12" B-Body Spindle/Brake Swap & Rear Frame Notch
Jeep steering shaft up-grade-Narrowed & Rechromed Bumpers
17"x7"-8" TT2's w/BF Goodrich G Force Sports 225/50/4.75" BS-255/45/4" BS
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