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how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by 595x » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:19 pm

This has probably come up before but I can't find any info on it!
So what's the best way & what's involved in turning a 83 wagon into a 2 door?
Whats needed & what does one have to do to achieve this?
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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by t5montecarlo » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:34 pm

Turna has done it.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:32 pm

To do it well will require a donor coupe shell. IMO, you'll need to fabricate a door window frame, since the ones I've seen done with a coupe windshield/cowl and "hardtop" doors have funky looking rooflines. The biggest crime is piecing together quarter windows. there's a pretty well-knowm burgandy one with a Monte SS nose that has a hatchet job (IMO) of a glass solution.

The wagon roof is higher than a coupe, so that's an issue. I've seen one in TX that was spliced together (wagon rear clip on a coupe) that had a weird look at the drip rails.

Turna indicated that it was a waste of time and money, but I've seen pics of one done that looked pretty good. For sure, if you just jump in without doing the homework, it'll be a PITA, and if you have to pay somebody else to do the fabrication work, it's gonna get expen$ive.

Or, you could take the easy way out and just weld/fill the rear doors. Not really a 2 door wagon, IMO, but it does seem to be popular.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by 595x » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:14 am

Why couldn't a person move the A pillar back and use the doors off of a coup or use coup fiberglass doors?

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:35 am

Coupe A pillars are not as tall as the wagon roof, and are laid back more.

The way to do it, IMO, is use coupe doors, and construct window frames from the front and rear door frames to fill the hole. trying to use the coupe roofrail weatherstrips would take even more fabrication, and the glass is not going to come close to being tall enough. Using the coupe windshield and pillars makes the roof low in the front, unless you bring it down all the way from the back.

There are a LOT of differences between coupes and sedan/wagons that most people do not see, aside from the number of doors. they're really two different animals, since the coupe is a hardtop style car (albeit with a B pillar and fixed qtr glass), and the sedan/wagon is , well, a sedan style body.

It can be done, obviously, but it's not the cakewalk many think it will be...at least not if you want it to look like a production car.

Best advice is to get a coupe and wagon side by side and bust out a tape measure...it'll become apparent very quickly the scope of the differences.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:37 am

And PLEASE don't cut up a NICE wagon to do it...some of us are always looking to upgrade our inventory.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by 595x » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:26 am

Well, how do you all suppose this wagon was done?
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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by t5montecarlo » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:25 am

I suspect the B pillar was removed from a 2-door and fit into the wagon. While you can cut/shape metal how you want, there is no off-the-shelf glass that will fit. I suspect the car you are showing is using Lexan.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:34 pm

I have to agree with t5...it's a drag car, and the qtr glass is clearly lexan,so I would imagine that the door glass is as well. Roofline to me says wagon a pillars.

This is the one I spoke of above....the only one I've seen that looked right.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by 595x » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:02 pm

How about wagon A pillars moved back, fiberglass doors, lexan side glass & quarter windows & a good body man! Thats my thoughts.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by t5montecarlo » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:48 am

and a custom windshield?

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by melloelky » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:03 am

i'd drive one,they look good.like i've seen a vega wagon from time to time that i'd drive too.shoot,i'll drive any wagon.
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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:13 pm

595x wrote:How about wagon A pillars moved back, fiberglass doors, lexan side glass & quarter windows & a good body man! Thats my thoughts.

Why are you trying to make this so hard?

Or do you mean B pillars? That would be more fab work because the back of the wagon doors are different than the back of coupe doors to accomodate the rear door hinges.

Lexan windows are not legal for street use...and I wouldn't use fibreglass doors on a driver, but that's just me.

I'm a bodyman, and I've put the planning time in, my previous posts are the best approach, IMO.

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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by matty man » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:41 am

X2 Ribbedroof,,, I had a wagon I was going to do this to,, find a 2 door donor, move the b pillar back,, I plan on using a Camino donor and using the glass out of camino and side glass and graft into the wagon rear side glass,,, some day,, Matty man
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Re: how to convert 83 4 door wagon to a 2 door?

Post by Ribbedroof » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:08 am

I've seen 'em done with camino glass, they just don't look right, IMO. Makes the roofline look humpy, probably due to the roof being lower than the wagon roof at the front.

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