wow I forgot about even posting to that one let alone reply, sorry, my car is a little different than most, everything has been modified in one way or another to make things fit, kmc didn't offer this wheel in a 4.5 bs so i got 5, now, my 17x8's I used to run had a 4.5 bs with a 205/40 now I have 20x8 with a 5" bs and my rim is actually closer to the fender than it was with a 4.5 bs.my overall tire height is 26.5" and I have 3/4" between th rim face/lip and the inside roll of the fender compare fit on the pics below and you'll see what I mean....sawzall/plasma lovers enjoy :lol: