Does anybody here have any experience using water as a power adder? I've sorted through all the bogus crap and have seperated out the real facts about using HHO power over the last 6 months and before I commit to my engine build, I was wondering if anybody (even turbo diesel guys...) have experimented with water and what results you've had. Thanks.
water for power?
- Thread starter gbodystuff
- Start date
Wow...no ideas here? Okay-who on this board has chemical engineering background that I can discuss the process of breaking down the carbon chains in the fuel molecules thus raising the octane of the fuel in order to combine it with hydroxy (HHO gas) to achieve overunity? I've researched Stanley Meyers, Boyce, etc. and am prepared to build my own WFC but I am just trying to encourage some ideas here based on experience, not opinion.
i know your not looking for opinions but i plan on running this when i get back to work and get caught up on bills.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SNO%2D20001&N=700+4294925239+4294838894+115&autoview=sku
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SNO%2D20001&N=700+4294925239+4294838894+115&autoview=sku
Is your car supercharged or turbo charged? This is what the last line of the description on the summit page says:
"They're designed for use in gasoline (6-15 psig boost) supercharged/turbocharged vehicles."
Personally, I don't think there is much to gain or "everyone" would already be doing it. Racers and Auto Manufacturers is what I mean by "everyone".
"They're designed for use in gasoline (6-15 psig boost) supercharged/turbocharged vehicles."
Personally, I don't think there is much to gain or "everyone" would already be doing it. Racers and Auto Manufacturers is what I mean by "everyone".
There is actually a lot of gain in water/methanol injection kits because you can kick it in at high boost and lower air intake temperatures to allow more boost on a motor that would normally detonate at those pressure levels. They are more popular in the import and newer vehicle aftermarket though, what are you running that would require it?
Well, after I read quite a bit into it, I realized the possibility of huge power while at the same time getting over 60 mpg. I know most people aren't doing this but I have to ask, how many have actually tried to? How far did you take the concept?
What Summit racing offers is no different than a PCV scrubber system which I use already and they can be made for around $20 from Home Depot parts. So here's a basic idea and I will add data to support this every step of the way...keep in mind I have read a lot on this and have got an engine design on paper ready to go. The whole idea is to use electrolysis to split the H20 into HHO or Browns Gas. I know what you're thinking already and no this is NOT a cheesy $100 "run your car on water" system here. There are big benefits to using Hydrogen gas mixed with regular pump gas. Molecule for molecule, Hydrogen is 6X more combustable than gasoline when ignited. Also, it has an extremely broad range of flammability which means it can handle very high cylinder pressures...ie high comp. motors on say...pump gas? Also, the oxygen present as a vapor mist expands rapidly and acts as a cooling agent inside the cylinder, reducing exghaust temps and lowering overall engine temps. But now you might ask isn't it bad to run an engine too cool? You have to burn off all those hydrocarbons... Well, you don't have to. Oil companies have long known about a process called carbon cracking-this is the process by which long carbon chains are broken down into the simplest molecules so that they can burn quickly and completely. Sound familiar? You guys who run high octane fuels know how clean it keeps the inside of your motor, right? No carbon deposits, right? Well, the high octane fuel have chemicals that aid in breaking the fuel down because higher compression motors require it. When you hear about water fuel kits offereing a "covalizer", what they are offering is a highly concentrated mix of agents that aid in breaking doen your nasty pump gas so it burns more completely inside the motor leaving nearly zero unburnt hydrocarbons and producing no sig. emissions. Now, we all know detonation results from unburnt hydrocarbons left in the combustion chamber, right? If running a water system that utilizes hydrogen gas combined with a covalizer in the gas tank can yield big combustion potential without the risk of detonating, you should be able to build a 13:1 motor on pump gas with no issues. Now, since hydrogen vapors are 6x more powerful than gasoline ones when it is ignited, that means you can lean out the fuel to the point where you can approach 100 mpg without a problem. This is not science fiction, it's chemistry. It is very odd that the 5 biggest oil companies own the majority of hydrogen technology that has been patented over the last century by ordinary guys for the most part who have sold out. There are a few guys who resisted and continue to resist the $$$ temptation. Do a search on Stanley Meyers just to name one. He built a dune buggy in the late 70's that ran over 60 mph on just water! I know rigth now the US military has a HumVee that runs on water power alone....the guy who told me about it said this thing did an all wheel drive burn-out and had insane acceleration. There is a lot more going on than people realize and soon I think it's going to come to a head....anybody see the newest ExxonMobil commercials? They are hintign at hydrogen water power as the future.....it's here already but it appears big oil wants to be the one to market it, not the little guys. On paper, I am fully confident that I can put together a short stroke-long rod engine (to me this is the optimum rotating assembly to take advantage of the very fast rate of burn) @ 13:1 comp., run it on pump gas and get north of 60 mpg. I call it my 660 project, 600 hp and 60 mpg. Thoughts?
What Summit racing offers is no different than a PCV scrubber system which I use already and they can be made for around $20 from Home Depot parts. So here's a basic idea and I will add data to support this every step of the way...keep in mind I have read a lot on this and have got an engine design on paper ready to go. The whole idea is to use electrolysis to split the H20 into HHO or Browns Gas. I know what you're thinking already and no this is NOT a cheesy $100 "run your car on water" system here. There are big benefits to using Hydrogen gas mixed with regular pump gas. Molecule for molecule, Hydrogen is 6X more combustable than gasoline when ignited. Also, it has an extremely broad range of flammability which means it can handle very high cylinder pressures...ie high comp. motors on say...pump gas? Also, the oxygen present as a vapor mist expands rapidly and acts as a cooling agent inside the cylinder, reducing exghaust temps and lowering overall engine temps. But now you might ask isn't it bad to run an engine too cool? You have to burn off all those hydrocarbons... Well, you don't have to. Oil companies have long known about a process called carbon cracking-this is the process by which long carbon chains are broken down into the simplest molecules so that they can burn quickly and completely. Sound familiar? You guys who run high octane fuels know how clean it keeps the inside of your motor, right? No carbon deposits, right? Well, the high octane fuel have chemicals that aid in breaking the fuel down because higher compression motors require it. When you hear about water fuel kits offereing a "covalizer", what they are offering is a highly concentrated mix of agents that aid in breaking doen your nasty pump gas so it burns more completely inside the motor leaving nearly zero unburnt hydrocarbons and producing no sig. emissions. Now, we all know detonation results from unburnt hydrocarbons left in the combustion chamber, right? If running a water system that utilizes hydrogen gas combined with a covalizer in the gas tank can yield big combustion potential without the risk of detonating, you should be able to build a 13:1 motor on pump gas with no issues. Now, since hydrogen vapors are 6x more powerful than gasoline ones when it is ignited, that means you can lean out the fuel to the point where you can approach 100 mpg without a problem. This is not science fiction, it's chemistry. It is very odd that the 5 biggest oil companies own the majority of hydrogen technology that has been patented over the last century by ordinary guys for the most part who have sold out. There are a few guys who resisted and continue to resist the $$$ temptation. Do a search on Stanley Meyers just to name one. He built a dune buggy in the late 70's that ran over 60 mph on just water! I know rigth now the US military has a HumVee that runs on water power alone....the guy who told me about it said this thing did an all wheel drive burn-out and had insane acceleration. There is a lot more going on than people realize and soon I think it's going to come to a head....anybody see the newest ExxonMobil commercials? They are hintign at hydrogen water power as the future.....it's here already but it appears big oil wants to be the one to market it, not the little guys. On paper, I am fully confident that I can put together a short stroke-long rod engine (to me this is the optimum rotating assembly to take advantage of the very fast rate of burn) @ 13:1 comp., run it on pump gas and get north of 60 mpg. I call it my 660 project, 600 hp and 60 mpg. Thoughts?
Well, what I'm trying to do is nothing that hasn't been done before-it's just knowledge, nobody who is seriously into researching hydrogen assist power is in it for the money. If you look at the people who were in it for that reason, their research went nowhere-it got bought and was shelved by big oil. Yes, some have made a lot of money...some were bought out for 25 million I have found. But, to big oil that's a drop in the bucket and a worthwhile drop considering what they would stand to lose if hydrogen power were mainstream. The only way this technology will get out into the public is from a grass roots standpoint. If everyone shared ideas and experiments, it can't be kept secret or be bought out. I started off with a mission to see what all the fuss about hydrogen was about. The deeper you delve, the more you realize what is being suppressed. And it's not fiction-you can see by the patent abstracts what has been developed. Right now I'm investigating what % of certain chemicals are needed to crack the fuel to start with and then I am going from there....fuel ionizner/vaporizer, voltage intensifier circuit through a water cell, etc. Faradays Law never took into account the amount of gas produced from plates/tubes of stainless steel so upwards of 2600% over-unity is possible but that equates to 600-800 mpg using hydrogen assist. It sounds so incredible as to not be true but if people (Stanley Meyer) have done it, you know that would spell doom for the oil companies world-wide. Simply put, from a chemical standpoint, it is absolutely stupid that new cars struggle to maintain only 25 mpg. That is where my mission started...why that is the case and how to change it.
The biggest advantage to something like this is that the water is essentially recycled. (Not sure of the efficiency though.) The disadvantage though is this: While water may cover 2/3 of Earth's surface, less than 1% of this water is considered drinkable, and we have a shortage right now. Well, there is the saltwater that is the majority of what is found on earth, but what do you do with the salt? You cannot just throw it back in the water, as the fish would end up dying, throwing off the environment blah blah blah. I assume you could dump it in the open ocean, or let it slowly seap out of ships as they cross the oceans, but is this economically feasible?
So what do we do with the salt?
So what do we do with the salt?
Well, if HHO technology opens the door to water as being a high dollar commodity one day, I am sure somebody will need to find a way to extract the salt out and find a use for it, too. Another outside of the box way of thinking is that our cars use oxygen but it gives nothing good back to the environment (there's part of the oxygen shortage problem)BUT, using hydrogen gas as an assist agent, the only by-product is water vapor so it's now a win-win situation. Since water vapor is present in gasoline formulations anyway, rust is not an issue internally but after combustion occurs, having a stainless steel exhaust system might be a good idea-that's the only upgrade I can envision. I could see filling stations acting as a sort of mini water treatment facility and everybodies utilities would go up since if the infrastructure was switched enmass to use water as a fuel, then everybody would have a vested interest. I would expect that big water treatment companies would take the place of big oil as the next corporate frontier to monopolize. Big oil probably realizes that the key to making money on water technology means owning the treatment facilities but they are all owned by the respective cities/counties. So for now, suppression of the technology is the best option until they can figure that out. I can promise you now that once you see big oil companies starting their own water treatment facilities under the guise of "promoting a healthier environment", that is when they will set out to build a water power infrastructure.
Similar threads
