manual brake conversion

foxz

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what all in it doing the conversion? i think its a great conversion...any pro/con's?? any one sell them?? how much do they go for...and how hard is it to install.. thx
 
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foxz said:
what all in it doing the conversion? i think its a great conversion...any pro/con's?? any one sell them?? how much do they go for...and how hard is it to install.. thx
A good place to start would be: http://www.maliburacing.com and click on the "Tech" section.
 

johnnycarlo

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Manual brakes

It's not a hard install, you can use the master cylinder from a mid 80s Dodge truck. It is basically the same one that willwood uses. Just make an aluminum adapter for the firewall. You have to move the pin up on the pedal that pushes the master. When you buy one of these from NAPA it will come with a little rubber that retains the rod in the master. then just build a new rod using half of the Chev rod and half of the Dodge rod. I did this on my 80 Monte and it works great. It definitly is harder to push the pedal, but that to be expected.
 

Supe

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The best kit, bar none, is the one from Travis at Steel Concepts. Just click their link at the top of the page.
 

stroker81

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Supe said:
The best kit, bar none, is the one from Travis at Steel Concepts. Just click their link at the top of the page.
The link BrianH323 posted is Travis' kit.
 

wessonracing

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Has anyone used the stock manual brake master cylinder? My local NAPA guy shows a replacement for a manual brake 1979 Malibu. When using the Chrysler style like the one in the kit do you have to use a propotioning valve when running front disc and rear drums? The kit is a bargain as the master cylinder by itself goes for around $120.00.

Jimmy Wessonb
 

riceca

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I used the conversion kit from Steel Concepts (Travis) and it came out sweet. He has a very very nice product! You will not be let down by this piece.

Here is mine.



lata
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riceca

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If you are running disc brakes in the rear you dont have to do anything because the master is setup for disc/disc. But if you have drum brakes like I do you need to add a 10lbs residual (sp?) valve. Other than that it is a bolt it. You have to use the supplied fitting that come with the master for the brake lines. Not had just part of it. All you have to do is cut your old lines and put the new fittings on and re-flare the lines. It is really an easy install. I had a little more complication because I added the line lock at the same time. But still easy.

lata
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foxz

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riceca said:
If you are running disc brakes in the rear you dont have to do anything because the master is setup for disc/disc. But if you have drum brakes like I do you need to add a 10lbs residual (sp?) valve. Other than that it is a bolt it. You have to use the supplied fitting that come with the master for the brake lines. Not had just part of it. All you have to do is cut your old lines and put the new fittings on and re-flare the lines. It is really an easy install. I had a little more complication because I added the line lock at the same time. But still easy.

lata
CHRIS
well i alrady have my line lock in on the old set up..so is it still straight farward?? just conenct to the lines all the same as it is now>?
 

riceca

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Yeah. All you have to do is drill one hole in your pedal arm to get the stroke where it needs to be. EASY! Bolt in operation!

lata
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wessonracing

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I have one of the Steel Concepts kits on the way. Do you still use the stock proportioning valve with this kit?

Jimmy
 

foxz

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couple more questions. I will be having drums in the back...what is the valve you need to put the pressure down where do you put it?? and will this work with stoc porportioning valve?
 

wessonracing

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I have mine running through the stock proportion valve. I put a 10LB residual pressure valve straight out of master cylinder that runs the rear brakes, and then to the stock prop valve. The brakes work fine although the pedal is quite firm.

Jimmy
 

foxz

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wessonracing said:
I have mine running through the stock proportion valve. I put a 10LB residual pressure valve straight out of master cylinder that runs the rear brakes, and then to the stock prop valve. The brakes work fine although the pedal is quite firm.

Jimmy
the firm doesnt bother me long as it stops good ha
 

wessonracing

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It wouldn't bother me if I was the only one driving it but my 16 year old daughter races it and she doesn't have the leg strength I do. So far it hasn't been a problem I plan on putting better brakes on it soon, that is before we go to any tracks with a short shut down area.

Jimmy
 

wessonracing

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I haven't tried to hit them real hard they seem to stop the car fine it just takes a good bit of pedal pressure. It is not hard like when a power booster goes out just harder than I remember manual brakes. My other daughter runs a S-10 with the same master cylinder but with 4 wheel disc and the pedal is not near as hard. I hope when I go with the rear disc the pedal gets a little more feel to it.I have never ran one with a residual valve and stock proportion valve. I keep thinking it may be better if I put the residual valve after the prop valve. I am not sure but I am open to suggestions.

Jimmy
 

onefastbu

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wessonracing said:
It wouldn't bother me if I was the only one driving it but my 16 year old daughter races it and she doesn't have the leg strength I do. So far it hasn't been a problem I plan on putting better brakes on it soon, that is before we go to any tracks with a short shut down area.

Jimmy


sounds to me like you have the rod going from the pedal to the master cylinder installed wrong.........

when i first did mine years back i took the power brake booster off,, and made my own two holes between the factory holes that held the booster,, figuring that you wanted the rod from the pedal to the master cylinder straight ..."HOW WRONG WAS I " pedal was so hard to push... (was a lil dumber back then)
now what i have is the master cylinder (factory manual brake master cylinder)bolted to the top two factory holes and the brake rod moved up to the top hole in the brake pedal arm and the pedal is great and stopped my car from 145mph last year ... stock front brakes and Aerospace rear disc brakes .........