Tremec TKO 600

Meat Drapes

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I went and bought the kit that has everything for my '79 BU.
Going to relplace my stock Saginaw that I blew 1st gear out of.
I will take pictures of everything, but will need help posting them( that is if anyone is interested).
My wife is pissed, the kit was $3K and I begged for forgiveness rather then ask for permission.
 
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I would like to do that swap someday too. 3k is a chunk of money, but it would be nice to lose the saginaw and gain a gear .......Post some pics. :)
 

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Meat Drapes said:
I went and bought the kit that has everything for my '79 BU.
Going to relplace my stock Saginaw that I blew 1st gear out of.
I will take pictures of everything, but will need help posting them( that is if anyone is interested).
My wife is pissed, the kit was $3K and I begged for forgiveness rather then ask for permission.
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It's hard to maintain a happy medium between the wife and buying goodies for the car. I hope you're able to work it out and not be put in the dog house for too long...good luck! 3 G's is no doubt a good chunk a change..
Jack ;)
 

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Meat Drapes said:
I went and bought the kit that has everything for my '79 BU.
Going to relplace my stock Saginaw that I blew 1st gear out of.
I will take pictures of everything, but will need help posting them( that is if anyone is interested).
My wife is pissed, the kit was $3K and I begged for forgiveness rather then ask for permission.
It's easier to ask for forgiveness , than permission. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Meat Drapes

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I called Keisler Engineering today to make sure everything was going smooth. Not even close.
The transmission takes 4 weeeks. Once that arrives it must be installed AND THEN a measurement taken to have the driveshaft built. I thought the kit was already thought out and ready to go based on the year make and model. The crossmember must be custom FABRICATED from scratch and I am being told THREE MONTHS!!! Damn tunnel needs to be 'adjusted' to accept the new shifter location. Maybe there was fine print I didnt read, I thought this was going to be a little easier. I am a shade tree mechanic that keeps his tools in a tupaware thing.
 

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I've heard bits and pieces of that setup... the crossmember is a new one, hadn't heard that one before... But, I was told that it would fit the factory location? if that's not the case, I really don't want to hack up my factory 4 speed floor... please keep us posted.. I was looking into doing this swap myself...
 

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Yeah, they made it sound like it was a direct fit...I guess you always have to read the fine print and try to find as much feedback as you can on a product. I'm sure once you get it together, it will be awesome. The TKO is by far a stronger gear box compared to your typical T5.
Jack :roll:
 

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Aftre hearing all that crap i'd go with a Richmond or buy a Tremec trans and do the rest my self.
Why pay them all that money for the kit when everything has to be custom made anyway?
Kind of like going to Mc D for lunch and buy a Chateau De Briand they don't have :lol: :lol:
 

Meat Drapes

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I was under the impression everything was boxed and ready to go. The salesman left all of that out. Who knows how long my car will be out of action now. The total price was $3042. Keisler just charged my card $1K... over a week after I started this. Not sure what they are doing.
At least as I prep the car, I can fix a bunch of little stuff that needs attention. Just noticed I can see the ground through the floorboards as I peel the carpet back. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!
 

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So they have already jumped ahead and putting the hurt on you rcard huh!?

I guess that is one way to make sure they don't loose you as a customer after telling you it would take a number of weeks to get the parts...

Mmm, rust....no fun at all. But you can always do a "pimp my ride special floorboard fix" and screw some sheet metal over everything :lol: :lol:
Maybe that transmission kit was supposed to take a while so you have time to fix the rust? If you believe in fate that is...
 

Meat Drapes

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The latest on Keisler from them. I called on monday and asked for them to send me the sheet metal early so I can be ready for whenever the transmission gets here .One of the customer reps calls me today and states that there are TWO tunnel adjustments I can go with. I could cut my ENTIRE hump out and move it back ( very original ) or go with the kit that is supplied with everything I bought. The sheet metal that comes with it is very easy to use according to them. But of course you have to buy a NEW boot and adapter which they dont tell you about until later. I tell them no.
I get home and UPS has been to the house. Much to my chagrin the boxes are from none other then KEISLER ENG. They are labeled 2 of 3 and 3 of 3. I open them and find the shifter and clutch disk and knob and all the other stuff needed for the install. The biggest suprise is the really nice looking CROSSMEMEBER!! Yes...the same one they told me would take three months. I am not complaining yet. The transmission needed to be signed for so its going to get picked up by me from UPS directly. Could things be on the up and up? I will let you know.
 

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good luck to you man,seems like that swap was a night mare.
 

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Sounds like you are back on the winning streak again!
 

Meat Drapes

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My first problem.
I got a clutch disk from Keilser that is 10 1/2 inches. The clutch that came out of my car is 10 3/8s ??? It seems the pressure plate is a hair too small. I have never done a clutch before. I have done valve bodies and swapped out automatics and torque convertors, but never a manual. Am I seeing things? Clutch and pressure plate say "Made in China" too. I really hate those three words with a passion.
 

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I thought chevy only had 10,5" clutches and larger!?
What brand is the clutch?

I have a few new Hayes clutch discs laying around in the garage i could measure to if they too are 10 3/8".
 

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I think I know why you're having problems. It sounds like you bought a "Builder's Series" kit. It comes with a freebie clutch, (probably not USA made, IIRC, Keisler usually uses McLeod) and it says right on the website that the trans tunnel must be trimmed and it may not fit the console. Only the "PerfectFit" kit has the Keisler custom tailshaft/shifter that is a direct fit.

Tommy
 

Meat Drapes

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Ah yes, the 'Direct Fit' system from Keilser. Let me tell you, its a myth. There is NO direct fit. Its still a work in progress.
I talked to Keisler today and got NEW info regarding the crossmember. Keilser Engineering HAS NEVER built one for the 79 G-Body before. The CHP article was done on a later model El Camino that has a longer Uni-body style frame. Particularly on the driver side. Keisler is still developing the crossmember for my year. They told me that if I could come up with a suitable crossmember to fit the Tremec they would pay me!! I had told them I was tired of waiting for them to get me a ship date and I was going to modify the crossmember that was holding my Saginaw in. So now I have to get the Tremec installed and brace it with 2x4's so I can take measurements. I think the pad that the transmission sits on only needs to be moved back about 3-5 inches. I am sure a competent welder could handle that if I provide decent measurements.
The crossmember I do have is from the a similar kit that was used in the CHP article. Keisler said I could buy a frame extention from Honest Charlies and try to 'make' things fit. They have not tested this and thought I might be a good guiniea pig. NO DICE!!
In regards to the clutch, it was a 10.4 , I went ahead and bought a Centerforce dual friction setup. Its got to be better then the "Made in China" crap.
Also, the trans tunnel must be cut for even the DIRECT FIT. There is no such thing as perfect fit. Yes the transmission has a big offset, but that still does not quite do it.
 

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Interesting. I watched Shafi's guys do an install at Corvettes at Carlisle. It sure looked smooth to me. I had some problems with his stuff, too. When I ordered the conversion "kit" to put my Muncie into my 80, the master cylinder he sent me wasn't even close. I think it was for a gen II F-body. I ended up getting a Mcleod gen III F-body master to go with my John Bzdel pedal. Keisler gave me a refund on the master. All the other stuff looks beautiful. I'll find out when I finish the install.

Tommy
 
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